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What do you guys think about using table-based layouts that validate (i.e. my site - link in signature)? Is this frowned upon?
Validation itself means very little. It's a baseline, and every site should validate, but in-and-of itself, it is not a suitable criterion for evaluating the quality of a site's engineering.
Valid markup is nothing more than the set of tools a Web developer uses to mark up a page. You can still use those tools properly or improperly, and to answer your question, yes, using tables to serve up a layout is generally considered a poor way to use those tools, for all the reasons you can find by searching for the many debates on the matter.
Think accessibility, think semantic validity, think WCAG (as best as one can think of it), think rendering speeds, bandwidth expenses and SEO-friendly markup. Tables as a layout device often threatens some of these areas, and in many cases, all of them, validity notwithstanding.
That's false.
Some styling is in your HTML structure, your page is only valid to HTML 4.01 Transitional (i.e. easy to make valid), your CSS file has errors, your page doesn't work properly in IE5. Turning off JavaScript breaks parts of your site (could you imagine finding the will to delete all your text in the contact form page to get a message to you?)
Your design is quite nice (apart from the crap rounded corner effects in places), but the page wreaks of some kid out of school, doing work for a bit of cash on the side.
Now to the text...
"This is just a picture I made for a friend when I was bored" Uh great, thanks for letting me know that you have a lot of free time, aren't busy and the girl on the picture didn't sleep with you, although you want her to.
"I made this image as a sort of "inside joke" for a class I was taking at school. "
Do we care? We want to know what that'll do for us, not about your life history!
"The idea was his, and I'm grateful that he took me in on the project." Aww, someone gave you a job!
The blog is pretty bad as well.
You don't know your profession and touting your work as premium web and graphics design isn't right. I'd get some books on design basics (alignment) and web coding.
However, get as many jobs as you can get. Use them to learn and increase your skill. Offer a fair price for your services and keep learning.
tables can still be useful and given the fact that "all css" designs invariably include hacks for the different browsers a new user can be forgiven for taking the conservative path.
Yes CSS is better
but tables aren't all bad.
Code:
style="background: #FEFEFE url(images/arrow.gif);"this kind of thing is ok in the very odd instance where you are trying to acheive something as a one off. On your homepage in the integral design? no - should be in the stylesheet.
But when alls said and done this guy's site is one of the better startup designer sites. I can find you plenty that are worse...
After reading your rather rude post, AdamSee, I switched the site over to XHTML. Yes, I know there are a few minor glitches, but some of the stuff you said before was uncalled for.
What do you guys think about using table-based layouts that validate (i.e. my site - link in signature)? Is this frowned upon?
Validation itself means very little. It's a baseline, and every site should validate, but in-and-of itself, it is not a suitable criterion for evaluating the quality of a site's engineering.
Valid markup is nothing more than the set of tools a Web developer uses to mark up a page. You can still use those tools properly or improperly, and to answer your question, yes, using tables to serve up a layout is generally considered a poor way to use those tools, for all the reasons you can find by searching for the many debates on the matter.
Think accessibility, think semantic validity, think WCAG (as best as one can think of it), think rendering speeds, bandwidth expenses and SEO-friendly markup. Tables as a layout device often threatens some of these areas, and in many cases, all of them, validity notwithstanding.
That's false.
Some styling is in your HTML structure, your page is only valid to HTML 4.01 Transitional (i.e. easy to make valid), your CSS file has errors, your page doesn't work properly in IE5. Turning off JavaScript breaks parts of your site (could you imagine finding the will to delete all your text in the contact form page to get a message to you?)
Your design is quite nice (apart from the crap rounded corner effects in places), but the page wreaks of some kid out of school, doing work for a bit of cash on the side.
Now to the text...
"This is just a picture I made for a friend when I was bored" Uh great, thanks for letting me know that you have a lot of free time, aren't busy and the girl on the picture didn't sleep with you, although you want her to.
"I made this image as a sort of "inside joke" for a class I was taking at school. "
Do we care? We want to know what that'll do for us, not about your life history!
"The idea was his, and I'm grateful that he took me in on the project." Aww, someone gave you a job!
The blog is pretty bad as well.
You don't know your profession and touting your work as premium web and graphics design isn't right. I'd get some books on design basics (alignment) and web coding.
However, get as many jobs as you can get. Use them to learn and increase your skill. Offer a fair price for your services and keep learning.
tables can still be useful and given the fact that "all css" designs invariably include hacks for the different browsers a new user can be forgiven for taking the conservative path.
Yes CSS is better
but tables aren't all bad.
Code:
style="background: #FEFEFE url(images/arrow.gif);"this kind of thing is ok in the very odd instance where you are trying to acheive something as a one off. On your homepage in the integral design? no - should be in the stylesheet.
But when alls said and done this guy's site is one of the better startup designer sites. I can find you plenty that are worse...
After reading your rather rude post, AdamSee, I switched the site over to XHTML. Yes, I know there are a few minor glitches, but some of the stuff you said before was uncalled for.
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